正在自杀的中国招标（症状篇）

Laochan

<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><a name="26696"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 黑体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><strong>正在自杀的中国招标<span lang="EN-US"></span></strong></span></a><font face="黑体" size="4">（症状篇）</font></p><p /><p><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></p><p /><p style="TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;25"><font size="3"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana">招标的原始目的，也就是招标的根本目的，是为了维护招标人的利益。可是，现在满天飞舞的行政法规，违背《招标投标法》，违背中国共产党十六届三中全会决定，违背</span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 黑体; mso-ascii-font-family: ">《</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><span style="COLOR: black; mso-hansi-font-family: "><font face="宋体">国务院关于投资体制改革的决定》，</font></span></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana">从根本上损害招标人的利益！中国招标正在自杀，正在走向歧途！</span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"> </span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana">更正确地说，是中国招标正在被扼杀，正在被逼上歧途！</span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></font></p><p /><p style="TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;25"><font size="3"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana">自杀症状如下：</span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></font></p><p /><p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 63&#46;0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">一、</font><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">        </span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana"><font size="3">投资与决策分离。进一步剥夺招标人在招标活动中的主导地位，即，剥夺招标人的定标决策权，甚至，不让招标人进入评标委员会。</font></span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></p><p /><p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 63&#46;0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">二、</font><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">        </span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana"><font size="3">赋予一个临时组建的评标委员会太多、太大的权利。评标委员会是一个既不能承担民事责任又不能承担刑事责任的临时工作小组。赋予评标委员会太多、太大的权利是不负责任的行为。</font></span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></p><p /><p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 63&#46;0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">三、</font><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">        </span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana"><font size="3">招标人当中，的确有腐败分子。但是，不能因为招标人当中有腐败分子，就要剥夺全体招标人的定标决策权！同样的道理，干部中有腐败分子，难道，就因为干部中有腐败分子，就要剥夺全体干部的领导权吗？！</font></span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></p><p /><p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 63&#46;0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">四、</font><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">        </span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana"><font size="3">招标本来是一种科学的采购方式，能十分有效地维护采购人的利益。招标本应成为采购人的一种自觉自愿、乐意采用的一种采购方式。可是，现状却令人遗憾和痛苦。那些委托招标的采购人，又有多少是自觉自愿的呢？当中国招标走过</font></span></strong></span><font size="3"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">20</span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana">余个春秋，大多数的招标人是因为无奈、被迫采用招标采购，这是中国招标的最大悲哀！</span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></font></p><p /><p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 63pt; TEXT-INDENT: -36pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 63&#46;0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">五、</font><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">        </span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana"><font size="3">滥用招标，特别是滥用公开招标。一个典型是中央电视台。</font></span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></p><p /><p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 0cm"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">六、</font><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">        </span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana"><font size="3">任意扩大招标的作用。特别是，将招标视为防腐败的利器。实际上，招标已成为腐败的保护伞，成为腐败的重灾区。</font></span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></p><p /><p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 0cm"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">七、</font><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">        </span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana"><font size="3">两法冲突，违背《招标投标法》的行政法规漫天飞。</font></span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></p><p /><p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 0cm"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">八、</font><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">        </span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana"><font size="3">正在“创新”大杂烩的招标投标监督机构。一个大杂烩的招标投标监督机构不可能拯救中国招标。请注意，新东西不一定是好东西！“新东西”不如“旧东西”的例子太多了。</font></span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></p><p /><p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 0cm"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">九、</font><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">        </span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana"><font size="3">“公开、公平、公正”的“三公”原则，正在被绝对化。在这个世界上，没有绝对的“三公”。“三公”的前提条件是：应不损害招标人的根本利益。</font></span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></p><p /><p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 27pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 0cm"><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">十、</font><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal">        </span></span></span></strong><strong><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana"><font size="3">为中国招标的兴起和发展做出贡献的招标机构正面临着严峻的考验。它们正在相互残杀、夹板中求生存。</font></span></strong></span><span style="mso-bookmark: 26696"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"></span></strong></span></p><p /><p><font size="3"> </font></p>

bidboy

将招标单独使用确实是中国的创新，但是在目前也正在成为最大的危害。
为什么能出台那么多办法，一个部位能出一个，七个，八个部位又出一个。中国问题根源在于权利之争。

ypyyp

国际招标相对还好点，5人的评标委员会就有一个是采购人，7-11人的评标委员会就有二个是采购人了。

bidboy

引用第2楼ypyyp于2007-02-16 11:43发表的:
国际招标相对还好点，5人的评标委员会就有一个是采购人，7-11人的评标委员会就有二个是采购人了。

关键不是采购人评委的数量，关键是招标的程序。

标兵

招标在中国有太多的行政色彩，这是低效率的根本原因

gzztitc

上述laochan和bidboy，标兵等人的说法，的确反映了中国招标的若干重要问题。很深刻。

但是，本人也有2点不同意见：

其一，标题醒目，但是，加上一个“慢性”可能更恰当一点；

第二，强制招标，有保护国家和社会公众利益的含义，对招标人也应的那个有一定的制约；但是，不能将两者对立起来。

taylor

招标只是众多采购方法之一。非要招标活动承担更多的责任和义务，肯定会出问题的。

如当年的户口，承担的责任过重一样。其功能性是无法长久的。

dianzima

楼上说的都对-----有道理

标兵

现在对招标人也就是采购业主的制约太少了，而且也没法制约，否则招标变成包办婚姻了

引用第5楼gzztitc于2007-02-16 20:43发表的:
对招标人也应的那个有一定的制约.......

willzhao

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